Comments on: Torah Observant or Judaizer? http://lisa-s.ca/are-messianic-believers-judaizers/ A Rose Amongst Thorns Fri, 06 Aug 2010 04:16:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Lisa http://lisa-s.ca/are-messianic-believers-judaizers/comment-page-1/#comment-377 Lisa Wed, 07 Apr 2010 02:52:29 +0000 http://amongstthorns.lisa-s.ca/?p=363#comment-377 Hello Mr Patron, I'm not sure what the point of your comment was, but I think I must disagree with what you said. The "Christian" celebrations you mention are actually pagan (just do a google search) while those you call Jewish are actually Biblical. I think you misunderstand the meaning of "under the Law". To be under the Law is to find your salvation in it, rather than through Yeshua. Being under the law and following it are two different things. We obey the Law because we are not told not to. In fact we are told to imitate the Messiah, and He was Torah Observant (as were Paul and all the Apostles). I'm not sure what your four "Spiritual laws" are, but I imagine they are found in the Torah (as part of the 613) and whatever they are, I'm sure they would be easier to obey alongside the rest. It's not about being egoistic or feeling like a "good Christian", it's about doing YHVH's way His way rather than my way. Shalom. Hello Mr Patron,
I’m not sure what the point of your comment was, but I think I must disagree with what you said. The “Christian” celebrations you mention are actually pagan (just do a google search) while those you call Jewish are actually Biblical. I think you misunderstand the meaning of “under the Law”. To be under the Law is to find your salvation in it, rather than through Yeshua. Being under the law and following it are two different things. We obey the Law because we are not told not to. In fact we are told to imitate the Messiah, and He was Torah Observant (as were Paul and all the Apostles). I’m not sure what your four “Spiritual laws” are, but I imagine they are found in the Torah (as part of the 613) and whatever they are, I’m sure they would be easier to obey alongside the rest. It’s not about being egoistic or feeling like a “good Christian”, it’s about doing YHVH’s way His way rather than my way.
Shalom.

]]> By: Donald Patron http://lisa-s.ca/are-messianic-believers-judaizers/comment-page-1/#comment-357 Donald Patron Mon, 05 Apr 2010 23:56:35 +0000 http://amongstthorns.lisa-s.ca/?p=363#comment-357 I have a christian friend (Gentile) who "converted" to messianic believer. Now He doesnt observe christian celebration like christmas, goodfriday, easter. But he is in to all the jewish festivals. sabbath, kosher meal etc. he may admit that only faith in christ can save. But if I will ask Paul in Galatians if I have to get under law to "live" as a christians(Not to be save).I am sure he would say no need. I dont want to judge but I find that as a gentile getting yourself under the moses law is more on the egoistic side. Maybe you have a feel of a better or right christian lifestyle. I jokingly told him I already struggle with four spiritual laws and you are going to give me 613 more. Donald I have a christian friend (Gentile) who “converted” to messianic believer. Now He doesnt observe christian celebration like christmas, goodfriday, easter. But he is in to all the jewish festivals. sabbath, kosher meal etc.
he may admit that only faith in christ can save.
But if I will ask Paul in Galatians if I have to get under law to “live” as a christians(Not to be save).I am sure he would say no need.
I dont want to judge but I find that as a gentile getting yourself under the moses law is more on the egoistic side. Maybe you have a feel of a better or right christian lifestyle.
I jokingly told him I already struggle with four spiritual laws and you are going to give me 613 more.

Donald

]]> By: Lisa http://lisa-s.ca/are-messianic-believers-judaizers/comment-page-/#comment-5 Lisa Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:31:46 +0000 http://amongstthorns.lisa-s.ca/?p=363#comment-5 Thank you Mrs Charlene. Thank you Mrs Charlene.

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